Thursday, July 1, 2010

More ignorance or are they Lies?

Here are some links to several stories that ive left comments on and thought you all might be interested in this....

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/cancer/articles/2010/06/30/8-facts-you-might-not-know-about-medical-marijuana.html

And my reply…..

Facts facts and FACTS

Hmmmm at last count I was aware of 77 distinct cannibinoids in cannabis...did we find another 23? Where is the data on these as I see no information available that talks about these "new" ones? Don’t get me wrong here I will be overjoyed if they found more but I just haven’t seen any data on the new ones yet. As to the federal government they are full of c&%$! They are playing both sides of the field (they are actively seeking and obtaining patents on different cannibinoids) while telling the public that there is no medical value and that rescheduling is "not in the presidents or my vocabulary". How can of federal government put NONVIOLENT users in jail including dying patients, say there is no evidence to support medical use OR research but behind the scenes be looking for "....groups that can harvest, process, roll, and distribute medical cannabis"? How can they lie to us, imprison us, all the while setting up their buddies to take over when it goes legal? The people behind this travesty need to be brought up on charges, cannabis must be rescheduled to at LEAST 2 (for research and patients use) and the federal government must stop lying and release all cannabis prisoners (only the ones that have ONLY possession charges as multiple charges may or may not be appropriate). Then it needs to be made available just like booze or tobacco. Anything short of this will not be acceptable...period and we WILL continue to ensure this is what happens. America......the lands of the FREE, home of the brave and NEVER home to garbage like this (at least that is how it was supposed to be).

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Chet r Biggerstaff of WA @ Jul 01, 2010 10:00:19 AM

And the tricity Hearld

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2010/06/30/1076503/drug-agents-seize-pot-in-snohomish.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=5716398#Comments_Container

my reply….

ChetB wrote on July, 1 10:01 AM:

The real question here is ....was this legitimate "underground patient’s collective" or was this people scamming the system? Right now almost all patients are forced underground for a variety of reasons (not being able to grow their own or cont find a real caregiver). This must stop and now as we are not criminals but are being forced into such actions by our local officials and Benton County Prosecutor, Andy Miller, for their "interpitation" of the current medical cannabis law. King County (where most of our state’s residents reside) have had an agreement from their county prosecutor for over a decade that allows patients to grow together and to allow store front shops for those that can’t grow their own. As I have said time and again, it is the county prosecutor’s interpitation of the law that will either allow or disallow patient access. Unfortunately our local officials have their heads stuck in refer madness and are not being honest with the public. At the Badger Clubs forum on medical cannabis the Franklin county prosecutor flat out lied (or was so far ignorant he should not have been speaking) about the effects, addictiveness, and dangers (including medical) of cannabis all of which were proven to be untrue. How can we let this disgusting display of corrupt government continue? Isn’t this America?



Read more: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2010/06/30/1076503/drug-agents-seize-pot-in-snohomish.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=5716398#Comments_Container#ixzz0sS38MSHx

How can we let this continue?

Thursday, June 10, 2010

Endless cycles

I have been watching the medical cannabis movement for well over a decade and it is almost funny. As each states citizens wake up to the true facts of cannabis and realize the lies we are being fed on a daily basis by our leaders and their puppet organizations (partnership for a drug free America is a big one that comes to mind…..and they are “fed” by the alcohol tobacco and pharma industries) the same cycle repeats itself over and over again. The cycle is one of an awakening of the people usually starting with the patients in the most need, followed closely by our officials scrambling to respond to what they see as a loss of control. The 1st response from our opponents is usually yelling and screaming the sky is falling followed closely by every officer and quack doctor speaking out about their precived dangers of cannabis to anyone that’ll listen. Then we get to their arguments they use in these articles. The will inevitably say that cannabis causes all sorts of medical issues (all disproven by real science already in states that have disavowed the feds stance)), that crime will become rampant if medicinal use is allowed, and that it’ll be a magnet for crime. They say what type of message does this send to the kids or they try to make causal relationships that do not exist in reality. It happens over and over as each state starts to look at this subject. The problem with these so called opponents is that all of these questions have already been answered and approved 16 times (15 states have medical cannabis laws as well as WA DC). Why do they ignore the answers that have already been found time and time again? Well, it’s quite simple they do not want this to happen and are willing to do anything including lie and prosecute/arrest our most vulnerable citizens to ensure their “slave trade” continues. If our elected officials refuse to look at the facts and continue to spread ignorance and lies they must be removed. I do not know about you but if someone lies to me or refuses to look at the facts of an issue I feel they have no business leading anything let alone being in a position to make policy on it. The wrong message to send to our kids is the standard lies of the dare program and all others like it. The partnership for a drug free America is actually funded by the main push behind not allowing cannabis as medicine (alcohol, tobacco, big pharma, petrochem, and forestry) as all of these industries will be destroyed or completely revamped due to cannabis regaining its rightful place in our world. This scares the special interests to no end which is why we have such dishonesty from all our forms of government from cities all the way to the federal government. The true power of America, the ones that control everything isn’t our elected officials but in fact is controlled by special interests (big money and all those in the lists above). Cannabis is the death nell of most of the industries and they know it. The day is coming for a reckoning and that is a day I hope to see very soon.

Monday, May 3, 2010

Our officials are not being honest

I recently participated in the Badger Groups forum on medical cannabis. I was the speaker supporting the desperate need for the availability of medical cannabis for local patients, and Franklin County prosecutor, Mr. Steve Lowe, was the speaker for the legal issues involved with this matter. I would like to thank the Badger Group for their invitation and Mr. Lowe for agreeing to discuss this controversial subject.

Unfortunately, Mr. Lowe didn't limit his discussion to the legal aspects of the medical cannabis issue, but tried his best to instill fear and disinformation about marijuana, cannabis's street name. I was astounded that he stated that “cannabis is terribly addictive” and that he tried to equate cannabis to the deadly narcotic Oxycontin as both have been shown to be false by the federal governments own studies (1999 IOM study among others).

My position has always been that it is the interpretation of the county prosecutor that is standing in the way of patient access to this very effective medication. In fact, Mr. Lowe stated "

….the policy varies from county to county in the state of Washington. That policy is usually dictated by the elected prosecuting attorney…um…and varies. I have actually issued a memo…I don’t have it with me…… …it’s about a page and a half, and I did particular training with each of my law enforcement at role calls to teach them what I believe we should be doing for enforcement.” I then restated the issue with this being directly in the purview of the county prosecutor and Mr. Lowe retorted stating " I respectfully disagree that it is a local prosecutor problem; it is NOT a local prosecutor problem. Dispensaries and collective grows are not authorized under the law, you have to remember it is still illegal to possess it. So until that is changed, and that’s really what this conversation is about, if you want it available and the way you want it available, legalize it. And that is essentially what they have done in King County…..legalized it.” He then stated "I choose not to do that for my county. They elected me to make that decision and I’m going to follow it and enforce the law whatever the laws may be.”

I have yet to understand how it can be Mr. Lowes' decision (or Andy Millers', the Benton County Prosecutor) on how to interpret the medical cannabis law for the county, and he even says he "chooses to interpret it this way, but it not be a county prosecutor decision but the federal governments". This is disingenuous at best and too terrible to contemplate at its worst.

Mr. Lowe and Mr. Miller have it within their power to allow collective grows as well as dispensaries so that patients would have safe local access to medical cannabis as the prosecutor for King County, Mr. Satterburg did. It is unfortunate that Mr. Miller has chosen to try to ignore us with games like phone tag and not returning calls. Our legal team was unable over a period of more than a year to secure a meeting with Mr. Miller. They tried day after day to get in touch with Mr. Miller to set up a meeting, but it never happened. We tried going to the city council and they were just as bad. At the council meeting where we first "came out”, Mr. Fox (Richland Mayor) said they would keep the door open for discussion. The next day I called the city to secure a 10 minute time slot at the next council meeting so that our lawyer, Douglass Haitt, could make a presentation. They refused to let us make a presentation…(the last council meeting had several presentations, but of course, none were about the medicinal use of cannabis).

Everything we have tried to do has been unaccepted by our local officials. They refuse to meet with us (while saying to the public that they will meet with us) and refuse to let us make a presentation to the council. They are disingenuous in saying that WE (the patients) must go to the State to change the law as they can do nothing about it. It is more a case that they do not want to deal with the issue and are hoping that if they make it impossible to move forward that we will give up in despair.

A constructive approach on this issue would be for the Mr. Miller to sit down with the invested parties (law enforcement is not one of these parties) and work on the issue. Mr. Miller needs to be proactive in meeting constituent needs and start working within the spirit of the law rather than choosing to impede the progress of patient access to medical cannabis. The voters have already indicated their support of this issue. The Collective is more than willing to work with him and to develop a system that works within the constraints of the law as King County has done, and I sincerely hope he will reconsider his position.

Three Rivers Collective

Chet R Biggerstaff (founder)

Richland WA 99352

509-591-4457

chet@4-20.org

http://www.4-20.org/

Sunday, April 4, 2010

60 day supply issues

Way back when…the state required the department of health to set a limit for patients. After many meetings a limit was found and proposed. The governor didn’t like the number (and of course it wasn’t based on fact or science but what her law enforcement wanted) and required the department of health to give it a 2nd go. What we ended up with was 15 plants and 24 oz of manicured medicine as a basic 60 day supply unless your doctor said you needed more. And of course this doesn’t work.

If you grow from seed and do so indoors, you have a minimum wait of 180 days. If you grow outdoors you get one shot (there is only 1 season a year) and if everything goes well and you don’t get ripped off, you’re looking at anywhere from 6-8 months before you have a usable crop. Now, if you grow from seedlings you can cut down the amount of time needed for indoor grows. It will still take about 6 months to get a crop but starting from seed has another issue. 50% of seedlings will turn out to be male which we do not use and are destroyed.

Then there are clones. With clones you can cut the growing time down to about 4 months but this is still an unworkable situation. If you’re allowed a 60 day supply and the minimum amount of time required to grow out a crop (without any complications) is 120 days, then you’ll have medicine for 60 days and then you’ll have another 60 days of no medicine while you grow out your current crop.

Now is where it gets real interesting. It is against the law to purchase the seed, seedlings or clones to start a legal grow. We are told that growing our own is the ONLY legal way to procure our medicine. You see it don’t you? If you can buy what you need to start your crop as it’s against the law then there is no way to be legal in the state of WA.

Our officials tend to “overlook” this “small” point when making their arguments against cannabis. They know full well that they are requiring all patients in WA State to break the law to participate and this seems to be exactly how they want it. If you need further evidence of this mindset you need look no farther than all their squabbling about limits, who should be able to recommend cannabis and all the other issues as they are moot until we can legally start.

You cannot allow access to medicine without allowing the process of procurement as well.

The Case for a cannabis collective

The people of Washington State decided back in 1998 that certain patients should be able to use and access cannabis without the fear of arrest and persecution. We passed an initiative that gave patients a legal defense in court only as anything more at the time would not have passed.

What this was supposed to have done was stop the arrests of very ill patients and to allow them to use cannabis as their medicine as well as to have access to it. It further allowed the patient to grow their own medicine or have a caregiver grow it for them. The spirit of the law was to make sure patients could use, access, and grow (or have grown by a caregiver) their medicine without fear of arrest or discrimination, but that is not what we have achieved. What we have now are patients that can’t get their medicine, and patients that are scared of their local police and officials.

Patients are supposed to grow their own or have a caregiver grow it for them. This was a good idea initially but has had some "unexpected" issues. Most patients can't grow their own for a number of reasons like a place to do so, or are too sick to do so. So the powers that be say you can have someone grow it for you. Well, this sounds good on paper but it does not work in practice in the current environment.

What is happening to the patients that need a caregiver is either they can’t find anyone to do so for them without taking advantage or they are being ripped off by said caregivers. The vast majority of people I've come across that want to be caregivers are not doing so for the patients but for their pocketbooks. They say they will grow for the patient but then turn around and charge the patient either street prices or very close to street prices for something they should only be paying cost for (power, nutrients, etc) and then turn around and either use the "excess" themselves or sell it on the black market.

A true story: We had a gentleman come in to a public meeting that wanted to become a patient. This person had no documented injury or illness and I explained that he did not qualify under Washington state law. He then asked for contact information on patients that needed a caregiver. He said that if he could not be a patient that he would be a caregiver for someone and that way get his "medicine" (recreational use) for himself and to make money on the side.

I explained to him that as he had stated he wanted medicine for himself and didn't qualify as a patient and that he had gone as far to say that he wanted to take advantage of the law to further his own ends (not in so many words), that I could not now or ever connect him with a patient as it was people like him that were causing so many problems for the actual patients.

Needless to say he then decided to wait till after the meeting to try to dissuade other patients from working with us because we would not help him. This is actually a quite common story and is repeated day in and day out all over the state. There is a severe lack of legitimate caregivers in Washington state that are out to actually help the patients rather than take advantage of them.

The law that was passed back in 1998 was meant to provide access to medicine as well as protect patients from arrest and prosecution. What we have is local governments saying, "Sure, go ahead and go out of town (in the same state) to get your medicine...that's okay. You can even use it here locally in your home out of sight of the public. But, don’t even think about getting it locally or using it where you need to as we will arrest you."

The guidelines say a patient can have up to 15 plants and up to 24 oz. of usable medicine in their possession unless your doctor says you can have more. Our local (and many other areas of the state) authorities say that if your doctor says you can have more and you do have more, they will arrest you. They also say that we cannot put our plants together in a collective grow to help each other and that each patient needs to do so on their own.

Nowhere in the law does it say patients can’t put their plants together to help each other. It also doesn’t say we can. What our local officials are doing here is creating their own interpretation based on personal views/agendas rather than what the law actually says. It has always been my understanding that if something is not specifically illegal then it is legal until made illegal by developing a bill/law to do so.

Neither law enforcement nor our political leaders have done so, but continue to set a totally different standard for cannabis contrary to how laws are made in the USA. Why is it the powers that be can make a whole set of "special" rules for cannabis when no other law is based on this way of thinking?

Our law's intent was to say it is okay for qualifying patients to use and access cannabis without the fear of arrest and prosecution. This also means that if we are allowed to use cannabis as medicine then the acquisition of said medicine has to be legal as well. You can’t have one without the other.

But what our local officials say is that we can grow it only. You can’t buy the seeds or clones to get started (it’s against the law) but you can grow it. You can use it as medicine but you can’t acquire it. How does this work? All this interpretation does is further law enforcements view that cannabis has no medical value and effectively bans growing by default. You cannot allow access without allowing the process of procurement.

Further, our local officials (and many others from around the state) are trying to ban access to our medicine as they don't agree with its use as medicine. Last time I checked our local politicians were not doctors. They say you can use it but you can't buy, sell, or trade the seed or clone to get started so patients must break the law to grow their own if even they can.

How is this compassionate? How does this help patients get and use their life saving medicine? How can our local officials even think they are being true to the spirit of the law?

The fact is they have not and have no intention of allowing its use or procurement. They are correct that the law is silent on how a patient is supposed to obtain their medicine, clones, and seeds. The fact still remains that it is medicine and the patients need it. It does not matter how law enforcement or our political leaders feel personally about this.

They are supposed to listen to the will of the people and then work with the interested parties to develop something that will work in the current environment and to make changes as needed to conform to changes in the evolving laws. They are not supposed to make their own way of interpreting just this law nor are they supposed to try to undermine it because they don't personally agree. This is exactly what is happening.

The patients, unfortunately, are the ones that have to do the hard work. They have to form groups to help each other despite threats from law enforcement. They have to purchase off the black/gray market to get their medicine as the powers that be will not allow us to take control of the supply. They feel much better about leaving the supply issue in the black market and to have patients forced to break the laws just to obtain their medicine.

If we cannot put our plants together and grow our own for our groups (collectives) then we have no chance of getting the price down. Right now we are forced to pay anywhere from $3,000-$4,500 per pound of medicine that we have no way of knowing anything about (how it was grown, what was used on it, is it clean or not, etc.).

Then there is the safety issue. Our local officials think it is far safer for each patient to grow at home with the possibility of robbery and violence. They think that it is easier to control this way but it makes absolutely no sense. How can securing hundreds or even thousands of locations be safer and easier than a few larger locations? Quite simply, it's not.

It is too bad that our officials cannot see through their reefer madness to see what they are actually doing to our state’s most vulnerable people. It is the patients and the general public that will have to move on this as our officials have made it quite clear that they will fight us around every bend.

All patients need to stand up and be counted. They need to form groups and become active in this fight. Yes, I know that we are in terrible pain and sickness but no one else is going to do it for us. If we want to have true legal access to our medicine we will have to do it ourselves.

You cannot allow access to medicine but not allow its procurement.

Friday, January 15, 2010

Blogerfied

Well where to start....We have cities around the state that are trying to find a way to ban collectives (and anything to do with medical cannabis) knowing full well they do NOT have the power to do so in normal circumstances. They say we need a moratorium so they can work out "regulation" but are in actuality stalling so they can have time to find a way to ban it. they refuse to talk with us (the patients and patient groups), meet with us, or even our legal team. If we were a "regular" company they would be contacting us to bring us into the fold. They rely on false information and washed out lies and then retire to their secret back room meetings when they want to develop a bill to "address" the issue. These people that are fighting what the people of WA state have already spoken on are the ones in the wrong. They have proven that they will do anything, and say anything to keep this from happening. they have proved that they will publicly say the door will be kept open while closing all openings behind the scenes. this is totally unfair and against what America is and what the people intended. All we want is safe local affordable access like everyone else already has. its time to clean house people.

Bum420

Friday, August 7, 2009

Our local fight part 1

Way back when, the people of Washington State decided that their doctors, not law enforcement or politicians, knew better when it came to healthcare decisions. We passed our law that enables a very select group of seriously ill and hurt patients to use cannabis (marijuana) for relief when other “standard” methods didn’t work. The law that was written was made vague on purpose due to the fact that if we had anything in it pertaining to the selling of cannabis or collectives the bill would not have passed. As this was a known factor the writers of the law made it so that collectives and dispensaries were not disallowed but not allowed either knowing full well that we (the patients) would need a way to get our medicine. Every time we try to make a move within the system to allow collectives with their own amendment or law but are blocked at every turn. It comes down to a few simple facts…..
1. Cannabis IS medicine and is here to stay (so get used to it)
2. We WILL get our law to allow us to gather together to form collectives and establish dispensaries (even though now it is NOT against the law to form a collective or dispensary)


How can it be fair for you (non medical cannabis patients) to have the right to get your doctor recommended (prescribed) life saving medicines locally but for some patients that’s not ok?

That is called discrimination and isn’t good for any group.

To the end of establishing our collective and grow site we have formed our own group. We have tried to work with local officials. We’ve met with the local mayor, police chief, city planner, and city lawyer and all but the lawyer are with us. The lawyer says since its not specifically allowed in the law that it is therefore illegal. Not sure where he gets this line of reasoning as this goes against all principals of our country and our legal system. If something is not specifically disallowed then by default it is legal. Our city attorney has this backwards which means one thing. He’s been bought and paid for or he is letting his personal opinion influence his job which is so not right on so many levels. The mayor, police chief and city planner have all said that if we can get a statement from the city attorney’s boss (Benton County Prosecutor Andy Miller) stating that since it’s not specify disallowed then by default its legal, they will support us in any way they can. So we play the game while looking at alternatives.